NTLM or MD4?

[zifr]

I have the hash that I used SAMinside to pull out of a Windows SAM file. The hash is listed under NT Hash, should I be using the MD4 function or NTLM for my cracking? Thank you for the insight.

zifr

[blazer]

the NTLM hashing implements MD4 but the general output is different, so to attack NTLM just use the NTLM algorithm ? I'm assuming you're transferring the hash over to the multiforcer ?

[1epi]

ntlm algorithm
http://security-wiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=NTLM

[Bitweasil]

You will attack a Windows NTLM hash with NTLM.

It is performing a MD4 on the UTF-16LE representation of the password, if you were curious. Adding MD4 to the cracker, while fairly useless, was trivial to do.

[blendaperry]

NTLM Provides confidentiality and Authentication to the users, As it is a set of Microsoft Security Protocols, it also provides backward compatability with LANMAN.

[Bitweasil]

NTLM Provides confidentiality and Authentication to the users, As it is a set of Microsoft Security Protocols, it also provides backward compatability with LANMAN.

What?

No, it's not backwards compatible with LanMan hashes... they're DES based.

*confused as to why you posted this*

[Sc00bz]

None of his posts make any sense. I would say he's a bot but there are no ads on his posts. He should totally wear the "I failed the Turing test" t-shirt.

[Bitweasil]

None of his posts make any sense. I would say he's a bot but there are no ads on his posts. He should totally wear the "I failed the Turing test" t-shirt.

I'm confused too. Bots have trouble registering, and he's not spamming.

blendaperry, send me a PM to verify that you're a human and are of some value to the forum, or I'll just ban you. You're not contributing in a meaningful manner.